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Plagiarism is an offense against citing sources for your work, not copying somebody's virtual piece of clothing. |
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BorsyJoin Date: 2014-07-31
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"2014er"
i am not a 2014 i am a 2006er i have had many accounts over the years
"It would atleast put a dent in the THOUSANDS of copied assets"
it would not even touch any copied assets, it would literally do nothing
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MakaoiJoin Date: 2014-07-08
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HOW would applying these suggestions result in absolutely nothing? You may THINK that copied clothing isnt is an issue but for goodness sake look at the front page of the clothing catalog! Its out of control and you cannot dismiss the fact there is an issue here. This CAN be resolved if people would make it a priority.
and @ the plagiarism comment, give me a better definition of what is happening. Its STEALING. Are you blind? I know what you think.. "designers are dumb and overdramatic they have no real talent" woopdedooo go tell some one who actually values your opinion. I already expected replies from IRRELEVANT people who have NOTHING to do with the fashion community. You guys are getting predictable, step up your game! 😉 |
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BorsyJoin Date: 2014-07-31
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ok, tell me how you think making a higher resolution template version will stop copying clothing
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MakaoiJoin Date: 2014-07-08
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1. Higher Quality.
2. If we follow some of these suggestions, accessibility to the template will no longer be available to everyone. The concept is that templates that are 585x559 will no longer be able to be uploaded. This will prevent users from uploading the templates they already have, therefor making any furthur creation new, high quality, and unable to be copied. |
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I didn't read all of it but from what I did read it sounds like you really passionate. You did make one mistake though. redesigning = plagiarism that's your mistake redesigning isn't plagiarism because, in its most general sense, a fair use is any copying of copyrighted material done for a limited purpose, such as to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work. Such uses can be done without permission from the copyright owner, there for redesigning is still a scummy move but it isn't plagiarism. |
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BorsyJoin Date: 2014-07-31
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@makaoi
and what if someone was working 8 months on making a shirt only for ROBLOX to suddenly discontinue the old system and all of their work is wasted?
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MakaoiJoin Date: 2014-07-08
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Um? In that EXTREMELY UNLIKELY case, they'd just be out of luck. Be realistic here. Il |
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BorsyJoin Date: 2014-07-31
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"EXTREMELY UNLIKELY"
so you're telling me you never spent making a shirt for over 3 hours?
also people can still resize the old template and upscale it and now they can still reupload
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ObscurifyJoin Date: 2013-04-01
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kek if you cannot prove you're a 2006'er you're absolutely a liar. that means you've been active for a decade; which i can guarantee is false.
the main culprit is NBC shirt makers and their spinoff groups, to at least put a dent in it all they have to do is shut these groups down. |
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LOL, typical clothing designers completely incapable of comprehending what I just said. Let's run through this again slowly. Maybe you'll understand.
"That's fine if you dont consider designing a skill. You still cannot dismiss the fact we spend HOURS on these designs."
Just because you spend hours on doing something doesn't give it inherent value.
Also, theres a fine line between me "copy & pasting" and straight up stealing.
So if I copy paste your shirt template into Paint and draw an extra pocket on it, that's okay? No? Then be quiet.
"The resize tool" who would actually take the time to do that, plus it would ruin the resolution.
Resizing an image takes literally 2 seconds even in the simplest of image editing softwares, what are you even on about? Also, yes the image would look worse scaled up, but when it gets crunched back down into an actual user shirt, it would just look like the old version. (I think. I don't know much about image editing, but it makes sense that if you stretch something and then compress it back down it should look the same as if you just compressed it.)
"putting a simple dot" umm thats not how it works. If i upload a simple dot to an inappropriate image, it still gets banned.
Yes, yes this is how it works. Do you think when you upload a copied image, the mod looks through every single image on the site to see if they already said it's appropriate before deciding it's appropriate? No. The reason copied images get instantly approved is because the file gets hashed and this hash is compared to what's already on the CDN. That means your template gets turned into a short (I believe it's 64 or 128?) combination of letters and numbers. If a picture that is EXACTLY THE SAME, PIXEL BY PIXEL, gets hashed via the same algorithm, you will get the same result. If you change a single pixel in the image, you get a VERY different result. Anyway, since the copied image and original image have the same hash, your image doesn't even go to the approval process, it just gets automatically linked to the original on the CDN.
"The system they can build should use a couple different regions of the template to identify whether or not the image is more that a percentage copied."
Do you even begin to comprehend how long it would take for ROBLOX to search through EVERY SINGLE image on this website? Do you realize how hard it would hit their servers to scan through their ENTIRE IMAGE DATABASE, open each file, and compare points on the files every single time somebody uploads a shirt? Yes, even if it is computerized. Do you also not realize that a computer is TERRIBLE at judging similarity? All that would have to be done is slightly change the color of everything in the template to break this anyway.
"For the shirt in studio mode, we can use asset templates much like the mesh templates to prevent stealing of the template ingame while still allowing a character to have clothing."
Wat. You do realize to have that template appear in game, ROBLOX would have to download it into Studio first, right? Something you can EASILY monitor from Fiddler or similar software?
"(Posted from mobile, sorry for mistakes)"
Your entire idea is a mistake. For the last time, you. Cannot. Restrict. Access. To. Templates. The ROBLOX client HAS to be able to download them to display them in game. This means being able to access them. You act like your template is just this useless file that can be thrown away after your shirt is made. No. That template IS your shirt. It's the raw data behind the shirt. The "shirt" object people can buy? It's nothing but a placeholder. When you join a game, everyone else's client basically goes "The new player is wearing a shirt! This shirt points to this template. I will now download this template and display the textures in it on their body so that the player can see this new user's shirt."
I don't understand why you keep arguing. Your idea, if implemented, would accomplish nothing but literally breaking the clothing system. Nobody but the creator of a shirt would be able to see it in game. If that shirt was created by a group, NOBODY would be able to see it, not even the original uploader. If you care such a great deal about clothing designing, why do you keep begging for a change that will destroy it? |
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blox6manJoin Date: 2013-05-14
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Not going to work.These clothing designers need to learn that roblox is a public place,meaning if you're not ok with others using your work,keep it to yourself.And before I get "well that is what copyright is for",just know that you cannot do that here.I guess I am the only one who reads the code of conduct,which clearly states anyone may use content uploaded to roblox. This isn't like most clothing designers' posts where all they say is "some one stole my clothing ban them they are an uncreative brat" and annoying things like that.Just saying,it's not going to happen. |
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bren609Join Date: 2006-08-31
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@obs
not a liar
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BorsyJoin Date: 2014-07-31
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making an anti-copying system that checks if its similar to another image would be very challenging
first, how would it even work? this would take too many hours to make an un-needed feature
second, it needs to be effective and smart enough to block copies while allowing similar looking clothing to pass
third, it needs to be efficient and fast enough to compare it to like 20 million images in under a minute
its impossible to make it effective, smart, efficient and fast enough for it to work on roblox
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MakaoiJoin Date: 2014-07-08
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"so you're telling me you never spent making a shirt for over 3 hours?"
A: umm you said " 8 months"
" typical clothing designers completely incapable of comprehending what I just said."
A: dead laughing at sterotype.
"Just because you spend hours on doing something doesn't give it inherent value. "
A: That' your opinion. Im sure Satan agrees. Bravo!
"So if I copy paste your shirt template into Paint and draw an extra pocket on it, that's okay? No? Then be quiet."
A: That's called redesigning. Since you're still using other work, it'd be nice to have credit. I know people won't abide by that rule, so theres nothing we can do except prevent them from getting the original.
I dont even have the energy to argue with you
"Your entire idea is a mistake."
It's an idea, if you dont agree, just don't support. You do not design and you are completely IRRELEVANT to this thread.
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blox6manJoin Date: 2013-05-14
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Ok,I feel the need to point out that just because you are not involved in the topic does not mean you can't disagree with the idea.Also,just know that to begin blocking copied clothing,moderators have to look through hundreds of thousands of pages of clothing.It almost makes me think no one thinks about the moderators,who really help out the site.Really,this idea makes me think that just because you want your designs to yourself,you think moderators have to do all of that work. |
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They should just sue that website people use to copy ;). the asset website thingy.
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MakaoiJoin Date: 2014-07-08
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He's spewing more hatred and irrelevant comments that solutions. and @ the moderator comment, It's all computerized. THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY
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blox6manJoin Date: 2013-05-14
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If course they do,but how is a computer going to detect rule violations?Like,I know this is not relevant to clothing,but computers cannot detect people bypassing a curse word by spacing it out or putting some symbol in it.Also,robots will only detect the copying if it is the exact copy,not with a different back round and some shading done to it. |
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MakaoiJoin Date: 2014-07-08
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Did you even take the time to read the OP
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ScaredAkJoin Date: 2011-11-11
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Get over it. It's happened for a long stretch of time, too long that it has become clear the staff doesn't care for the community. |
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what a long post
i've been on the forums 4 years and-- |
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