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please no trolls, your question wont be answered if i think youre trolling. |
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Does a commie believe that if a person works hard, every day of his life, for money and he works his way to the top and gets rich, he should keep the money HE worked for? |
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to quote kropotkin: All belongs to all. All things are for all men, since all men have need of them, since all men have worked in the measure of their strength to produce them, and since it is not possible to evaluate every one's part in the production of the world's wealth.
it;s impossible to assess how much exactly one person has given to society, there are simply too many factors. but it is a myth that a socialist society would have no rewards for hard workers. many people in the Soviet States that worked especially hard received extra vacation days and stuff like that. |
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Ya, extra vacation days to the gulag. |
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How do you feel about the situation in Cuba? |
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Wanna make some smecks magn00b? |
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Do you think the Soviets could have survived without all the regulations and do you support that Nixon opened trade with the soviets? |
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Do you support Castro? Do you think a communist China was a good thing? |
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How do you feel about the situation in Cuba?
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Fidel gets alot of flack, he doesn't have any official power though, his brother Raul is the one with the power. I think it was a good idea for him to allow the opening of small business, a totally collectivized economy is a Utopian ideal.
Do you think the Soviets could have survived without all the regulations
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No, the Soviets were too weak on the outside and spent way too much money on the military to be a worker's state. Plus, after Stalin died Khrushchev began making the nation more state capitalistic and giving jobs more powers of the workers.
do you support that Nixon opened trade with the soviets?
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I think once the Sino-Soviet happened it was all over for all socialist countries, if they want to survive they cant let petty disagreements divide them. Nixon opened trade with China only, as far as i know.
Do you support Castro?
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I like what he says, I guess I support most Left wingers, so, yeah I guess.
Do you think a communist China was a good thing?
Communist China *WAS*
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What is the incentive that drives someone to be a brain surgeon instead of a janitor in Socialism? |
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What is the incentive that drives someone to be a brain surgeon instead of a janitor in Socialism?
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the want to help the people around you, would you rather get treatment from someone who wants to help you, or is doing it because he wants your money? |
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"the want to help the people around you, would you rather get treatment from someone who wants to help you, or is doing it because he wants your money?"
The guy who wants my money knows that he has to do a really good job, or everyone else will see he is a horrible surgeon and won't hire him.
Therefore he is motivated to do a good job.
On the other side, however, how many people do you ACTUALLY want to do ten times the work for the same pay as a janitor? There aren't many people who would be a brain surgeon just to "help their fellow comrades." |
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look: if you want to be technical, they wouldnt be payed in money, but in resources that they need, but fine, lets say that a janitor and a surgeon DO get the samepay? What's the problem with that? a surgeon can't look down at someone who was raised in worse conditions or was disadvantaged?
and how many of you even would want to be a janitor?! people seek jobs because they enjoy them, if you enjoy a job then you will do it, and the pay is not important, you enjoy your job, if you didn't I would understand wanting more, but if you love your job, why would you care if you were clothed, had a home, food, and all that, PLUS a job you enjoy? how is this bad?
I know for a fact I would not want to work as a janitor. People want to enjoy their job, if they enjoy their job, then what's so bad about being paid as someone who has a job that is different?
A janitor is just as important, if not more, to society than a doctor, because without a janitor, we would have disease running rampant and gross conditions. |
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I believe Socialism would be a great system of love and togetherness if only it could work correctly under the conditions of our modern world. The problem is that so many people lack the incentive to work for the good of society when they are not offered what they feel is enough of a reward. Selfishness and greed holds us back. |
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"lets say that a janitor and a surgeon DO get the samepay? What's the problem with that?"
Because the surgeon does much harder work than the janitor, and had to do much more in order to get the job. There is no "I am a good socialist comrade and want to help my fellow man and work every day and night to become a brain surgeon because I want to help people even though I could get the same pay for doing nothing but pushing a mop!"
"people seek jobs because they enjoy them"
No, they seek jobs because they want money.
"janitor is just as important, if not more, to society than a doctor"
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No, they seek jobs because they want money.
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people seek jobs they enjoy, that's why people go to liberal arts schools. -____-
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okay, because back in the enlightment era, when widespread sanitaryism wasn't understood, the people LIVED SO WELL.
Because the surgeon does much harder work than the janitor, and had to do much more in order to get the job. There is no "I am a good socialist comrade and want to help my fellow man and work every day and night to become a brain surgeon because I want to help people even though I could get the same pay for doing nothing but pushing a mop!"
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and who's to say that while studying he was a janitor? now im being hypothetical: but who's to say that while they're in the apprenticeship of learning their important hard working job they're doing the jobs that's so commonly looked down upon? |
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How do you feel about Greenland and Denmark? |
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"people seek jobs they enjoy, that's why people go to liberal arts schools. -____-"
Some do, most get jobs for money.
"okay, because back in the enlightment era, when widespread sanitaryism wasn't understood, the people LIVED SO WELL."
That is why they needed doctors, which good ones were hard to find.
"and who's to say that while studying he was a janitor? now im being hypothetical: but who's to say that while they're in the apprenticeship of learning their important hard working job they're doing the jobs that's so commonly looked down upon?"
Janitors aren't looked down upon. People know they are neccessary. The apprentice was a janitor because he needed the money to pay for his apprenticeship, theoretically. He most likely did not like his janitor job, but did it because he needed the money for it. |
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Lets face it, intelligence isn't from nurture, some people are naturally set off by nature. Just because nature allows for inequality, doesn't mean humans should as well. If you don't support equality, please, tell me how well the theory of being born into a class worked for the Ancient Hindus.
Also, those who say, "In amurika you're free and equal and you get the same educational standards as everyone else!" While this is somewhat true, rewind about 100 years, Socialist ideals saved America from mass starvation becoming far worse.
Even in today's world, a person in the lower class will not be able to get into the same college as the upper class, even if they do, unless they get a full scholarship, tuition is out of the question. |
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Some do, most get jobs for money.
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because engineers HATE doing math and doing computer stuff
and scientists HATE discovering things
and lawyers just HATE standing up and proving their points
and writers HATE writing
and musicians HATE making music
and singers HATE singing
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That is why they needed doctors, which good ones were hard to find.
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so you think if we had the sanitation conditions of 18th century london with modern doctors we'd be just fine? sanitation is ESSENTIAL to a healthy environments. >.>
Janitors aren't looked down upon. People know they are neccessary. The apprentice was a janitor because he needed the money to pay for his apprenticeship, theoretically. He most likely did not like his janitor job, but did it because he needed the money for it.
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the attitude that some people have would suggest otherwise.
some jobs are nasty, degrading, etc, but the point of socialism is not only to provide for all equally, (this is more of an anarchist perspective) but to make all work healthy, enjoyable, and worthy of respect.
think about it: if scientists hated science, do you think we would have come as far as we have in our technology? |
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how do you feel about greenland and its relation with Denmark? |
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how do you feel about greenland and its relation with Denmark?
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i dont really know anything about greenland and denmark, i imagine greenland needs denmark, but im ignorant on the subject :L |
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The point is: people do jobs because they want/need the money, and it's a plus that they sometimes enjoy them if they get a good job.
I'm sure that most people, if they had the option to, would have not have a job (which is already starting to take place, but that's another debate).
Again, there is no major incentive to do a job, actually try to do your very best, if you can get the same living conditions and pay as the guy who barely does anything.
Socialism squanders innovation. Why try to come up with the next best thing if you won't get anything from it, not even acknowledgement? Why would you work extra hard at the job, if you won't get a pay raise, a promotion, no kind of reward for your hard work?
I'm sorry to tell you this, but people want rewards for work they do. People won't do things just because they are good little socialist workers who want to contribute as much as they can for society.
Self-interest is the largest contributing factor by far to the success of any nation. |
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